Wednesday, June 8, 2011

810 WHB, I recognize thee not

It is with a galvanized but humble spirit – one that can only be attained through first-hand experience - that I write what I am about to write.

Sports Radio 810 WHB, as a former employee and now a fan, I recognize thee not.

This disappoints me.

Once, it was about fans. All about fans. All about Kansas City. There were walkouts and food drives and calls for the old guard to fold up its tailgate and move on.  You were the new kid, the hungry kid, the edgy kid.  You were the one who not only worked to find the news but also entertained in a way that, frankly, every other hack has tried, to this day, with no success to topple.

You were exactly how I envisioned myself, and the chance to join your ranks, despite leaving behind a promising public relations career, is still remembered fondly. Your workmanlike persona was one I could identify with, that I wanted to identify with. It was the reason I sacrificed everything I could to move from a part-time weekend board operator to a full-time employee and eventually sacrifice even more as I tried to prove my worth.

I felt it was worth it to find a way, any way, to contribute to your sports coverage, to identify an area where improvement could be made, and do it.

And so began my many late-night miles to and from Manhattan – and many pots of IHOP coffee while working on my blogs long after the K-State partiers had come for breakfast and left. Lonely dark stretches of Interstate 70, sometimes at three or four in the morning. Frightened, song-based screaming in the middle of the night – an attempt to fight off falling asleep behind the wheel…again…because a hotel room was only an option if I wanted to pay for it.

Just to make it back in time to appear on an early show. Or, sometimes, just to steal some sleep before getting back to the station for another 10, 11, or 12-hour day because I was told “just being there” was a key to moving up.

You’ll listen to and believe anything that involves moving up when you’re grossing $22,500 a year.

So, imagine my confusion when I was approached on two separate occasions by Union Broadcasting President Chad Boeger, who was aware that my work had proven its value in terms of coverage, and told me my work wasn’t really necessary.

Work I wasn’t being paid for (because, as it was explained to me, I was only technically hired to be a board operator), providing both audio and written content that fans welcomed – unnecessary.

I took that to heart, and continued to provide my effort to 810’s cause.

It was about that time, three years ago, maybe because my senses were heightened as some of the “dream” wore off, I began to hear a growing sentiment among 810 WHB fans: the 810 they had listened to and actively participated in help grow was growing stale.

I saw it from the inside.

Nothing ever changed. Nobody ever moved on. Nobody ever promoted. People left for other jobs and their positions, other than a secretary or two, went unfulfilled.

Like air slowly escaping a balloon, the energy was dissipating. People worried about jobs instead of doing a great job. “Entrench” replaced “innovate.” But, it didn’t matter. Just after I left last August, the first layoffs in Union Broadcasting history took place. Friends of mine lost their jobs.  Talented friends.  Friends who should still be in radio.

It was the economy, and I understand that. And part of the down economy is an increase in the number of ads played these days.  Clients don’t pay as much for ads, the station has to make up the difference somehow.

Fans would understand the ads, I think, if only it wasn’t for the additional live reads and stumping in already-reduced segments.  Fans will give, but it’s the station taking on top of it that irks many. Almost everyone has had their 10 minutes in the car where they don’t hear one minute of content.

It is too much. It makes fans respond, just as Chris “fakenedyost” Kamler did with his open letter to Kevin Kietzman, host of Between the Lines.

Kamler isn’t the first and won’t be the last to air his displeasure with Kietzman’s show, but for the first time, the sentiment wasn’t singular in nature as hundreds of people retweeted or commented that 810, Between the Lines specifically, had lost its bite, become out of touch with the listenership and come full negative circle in that it has become the exact replica of the stale sports talk Kietzman had succeeded in running out of town.

Kamler said that Kietzman has become Don Fortune. I do not agree.  I do understand why fans examine the parallel nature of the two stories and then compare the characters.  However, Fortune was never was the entertainer nor the interviewer that Kietzman still is today. Between the Lines, on its many good days, is still far and away the best show in the city, perhaps in the middle part of America.

But…

It was extremely disappointing to hear Kietzman’s reaction to the letter during his opening segment on Wednesday. I hate to tell you, friend, it ain’t the Kansas City Royals and the club’s losing ways that has fans deciding to turn the dial.  Unless Jim Colbert and Jim Cotty are now throwing cookies for Ned Yost instead of pitching products, that's all smoke and fire.

First, the problem is the acknowledgement and then immediate denial.  By inviting callers to provide ideas, Kietzman gave nod to the notion that something does need to improve with the show that has dominated sports talk ratings for more than a decade.  But then, for the most part, nearly every idea was eventually dismissed – a subtle but noticeable hint that the conversation would likely go no farther, not for awhile anyways, if ever.

After the first hour of Wednesday’s show, I talked with Kamler over Twitter, asking his opinion of Kietzman’s response.   We both held the same basic opinion that the true point for the letter was missed.  It’s not anything little and specific that needs to be addressed, and it’s sure not about the threat to change stations.  Look, fans don’t want to change 810 if they don’t absolutely have to. They’re loyal, and they just want their old, small-us-against-the-world, out-work everybody, anti-corporate 810 WHB back.*

*It’s hard, maybe impossible, to reverse that path. Kietzman and Vice President of Sports Operations Todd Leabo were just in Bristol, Conn., taking in the sites and sounds as guests representing ESPN stations.  Kietzman said on BTL the difference between Union Broadcasting and the other stations is that UB is locally owned.  Technically, that’s true.

But, over the years the company’s working relationships with ESPN, Westwood One and others have grown as the want and need for programming (the NCAA Tournament, The Masters and the NBA playoffs, for example) those entities own is sought after. Eventually, you become the company you keep.  It’s inevitable. You can sleep in the same bed and not have to change your name.

Kietzman argued that the show “has not changed,” and that’s the problem. Things are not the same as they were 15 years ago when BTL started.  To not change is begging to become stale, summer programming or not.

The biggest rub, it seems, is with the middle and lower portion of the coveted 18-54 demographic. They were the ones most likely on Twitter, agreeing with Kamler’s take that BTL has lost them. Taking the medium into consideration, you then have to ask: what percentage of BTL’s audience did Twitter represent? Was it the majority’s voice?

I would then ask this: how many 43-54 year olds do you think are jumping anywhere on the internet, let alone Twitter, to voice their opinion?  Not nearly as many 18-40’s, I guarantee, so chances are yes, a majority’s voice was heard, but only the younger side of the demo - which is where the gap exists.  

The old guys, the ones with money, are just fine with golf deals and fancy dining.  The teens and early 20s maybe aren’t thrilled but are okay with 610’s Nick Wright, Keitzman’s competition, because, well, at least he's their age and mixes in pop culture world they can identify with even if they aren't overly impressed with his show.

But, that leaves us in the middle - the ones who make okay money but not enough to influence ad sales, the ones who still have youthful energy and passion but like our intelligent conversations. Who do we identify with?  Right now, nobody, and as a sports fan, that sucks, because we’re too young to want to hear what 810 is pimping in the afternoon and the alternative, while having shown improvement, still feels a little immature and unpolished.

Sigh…

So then, how do I end this piece when I, myself, feel this conversation is just beginning?  The answer is I don’t.  I’m not ending it. Instead, the hope is that this will rekindle thought and spur the necessary conversations to turn the arbitrary into tangible.

If it’s a rededication to the craft by those currently going, fine.  If it means burning the thing down and letting something fresh have its go, so be it.

All I’m after is to find a way to bring back to balance the hardworking, straight-forward, no-nonsense attitude that shapes our city’s fans with legitimate, passionate sports coverage this city wants and deserves. Boeger and Kietzman did it in the late ‘90s with radio, and it was brilliant.

There is no reason it can’t be done again but with today’s technology and mediums.

Just need to find me the next Jerry Green...


22 comments:

  1. Curtis, this is extremely well written.

    My favorite line is towards the end when you talk about us in the middle. I'm right there with ya.

    Great article. Looking forward to seeing what the future holds.

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  2. Right on Curtis!

    @pjbyerly

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  3. Curtis I love this welcome back to the land of the fan. I said something along these lines on Twitter today.
    -kcroyalman

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  4. inside 810 says, right on kitchie.

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  5. Good to see that someone from the inside sees the same thing that seems to be going on from the outside. I think when people compare the program to Don Fortune's it is the feel of complacency/phoning it in.

    Kietzman is a strong personality who believes his way is the right way no matter who tells him differently. As the old saying goes, "Pride comes before the fall." That is what we are experiencing right now.

    This took guts to write. I applaud you although I doubt you will be invited to the 810 Christmas Party.

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  6. Great Article! I've listened to Kietzman since I moved to Kansas City in early 2000 all the way until I moved to Austin a couple of months back and the show has changed significantly. I remember I could count on KK's unique perspective and most of the impartial opinions when it came to the professional teams in Kansas City. The end for me came with a recent interview Kevin did with Chiefs Center Rudy Nyswanger. He spend the entire interview trying to get Rudy to admit "The Owners" were right in the labor dispute. My point is 810 is no longer the Hometown unique option and sometimes even provocative....It feels just like any other national power such as ESPN. They may not be the only ones....even CNN lost it's edge nowadays. Why would 810 keep theirs???

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  7. Curtis, thanks.

    I'm 50, not a golfer. I'm on twitter, follow fakened and others, and generally agree with his letter. And your take was dead-on re the denial. I was picking a kid up from a camp, so happened to hear the opening excuse. Otherwise, I don't listen to him any more.

    The alternative over on 610 is worse, so I listen to 980 a pretty good percentage of the time.

    I do like Petro. I even like stump the chumps. Not a huge fan of MMA or UFC or whatever the hell it is he follows. But I like most of his stuff, and his takes.

    Petro needs to be the afternoon guy, with a revamped show. Put KK against Rome and he'll lose share, true... But eventually he'll lose it all against a new act over on 610. Matter of time before they get it right.

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  8. Truth be told gang, KK has been this way for awhile with his show. Not that it's a bad thing. I just think there's a lot of people, not even limited to WHB and even Sports Radio at all, that are unaware of their listeners.

    The funny thing is, 5, 10 years ago, something like this wouldn't have caught on nearly as quick. With twitter, facebook, etc being what it is...

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  9. I can't stand Kevin Kietzman. He's extremely arrogant. And your take on the Smoke and Fire segment as well as Jim Colbert is spot on as well. I can't stand either of those segments. Not to mention that I had an awful experience at that Smoke and Fire store, one that made me decide to never go there again. Anyways, nice article. Steven St. John is my favorite easily.


    Jeff

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  10. Curtis, you're right that 810 has changed. When we first started, we had a big bad bully to take on (Entercom and Don Fortune) and we were the local guys who knew what the local fans wanted. We also had little to lose, except our jobs. Maybe that's why Kevin was so good in the early days. He'd left a safe job at Channel 4 to be a part of a risky venture and he was afraid of failure. I on the other hand had been freelancing a long time and never thought that we would fail.

    The reality is that the early 1510 fans and later 810 fans were more passionate than we could have ever hoped for. We were lucky that we'd talked Jerry Green into investing and Jerry looked at it as a hobby, not a must make a profit business venture in those early days. It was also the perfect time for pulling off events like the walkout, Scott and Sid and getting Jim Rome. Rome ended up with us because a friend of mine, Brian Purdy, had helped launch his syndicated show.

    Today, Kevin and Chad have a lot to lose and there are a rash of other investors to answer to. Radio has changed dramatically in the last decade, but to fans who say there are too many remotes now, I'd remind you that we did a ton of remotes in the early days to pay the bills, we just didn't have investments in restaurants like they do now.

    When you start having ten minutes of commercials and no content, you become what you use to abhor and Kevin can whine all he wants about 810 is free to listen to and someone has to pay the bills, but listeners don't like it. If you don't get that and try and figure out ways to solve it, you will get bitten in the butt.

    The problem that I see with Kevin's show is that he no longer listens to his callers or for that matter, most of the people he's interviewing. I've always thought he was an excellent interviewer, but more often now he's more concerned with getting on his soapbox and pontificating about something instead of listening to what he's being told by the person he's interviewing.

    BTL has also become too incestuous. It's Kevin and his tight little circle of friends on the air in the afternoon. They need new blood, someone who'd actually challenge Kevin on some of his bullshit comments.

    I'm at the top end of the demo they're after, but try to keep up with technology and pop culture. I'll agree that Kevin has lost his touch with the younger audience, because he doesn't seem to care about what's going on with them. He's coming close to becoming the crotchity old man in that regard. Maybe that's just the cyclical nature of the business. It's hard to keep up with everything, but you have to give the listener the feeling you're at least trying.

    I personally believe Petro is at the top of the heap these days. He does his homework and he's learned from his early mistakes. As a sports fan, he asks and gets answers to the questions I'm interested in. I try not to miss him.

    As long as 610 keeps rolling out lightweight talent to compete (I can't believe I even used that word) they'll never make a run at 810. Nick Wright, unfortunately believes he's something he's not, and that's entertaining. His voice alone is reason enough not to listen. Until someone legitimately challenges 810 they won't have to change.

    Ironic isn't it? That's what we use to say about Entercom in the beginning. They thought they were too strong and powerful to ever be toppled by a bunch of young guys busting their butts. You know what they say about those who don't pay attention to their history. If they're not careful, 810 will someday find itself in the same spot. Thanks for letting me take up space on your blog. Keep up the good work. I love your passion for sports.

    Duke Frye

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  11. Great work, Curtis. I posted a link to it on BOTC.

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  12. Nicely written and to the point. Hopefully KK will at least acknowledge this too before also dismissing it.

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  13. Curtis & Duke;

    Great stuff. As I watch from afar now & talk with the little bro, we both have seen the change from what we used to enjoy about WHB.

    You also brought up some things the folks I work with can keep in mind as we continue our fight against the corporate evil surrounding us. Its real easy to get complacent & not work like the hungry "pups" we all were not that long ago.

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  14. Nice job Curtis. I fall squarely in the meaty part of their target demo, but I quit listening to ALL terrestrial radio about 5 or 6 years ago. Once in a long while, I'll tune in to 810 if I want to hear a bit about the Big XII Basketball tourney or some other local sports topic, but always without fail, I only hear commercials.

    That's why I KNOW there is an opportunity for someone exactly like you. It takes very little overhead and investment these days for a person to start a podcast. With topic that engages on peoples' passion points, like local sports, audience growth would be as automatic as getting the word out.

    So I'm saying right here and now (and on Twitter, a few minutes ago) that if you start this podcast, I will subscribe and donate.

    So how about it. Your time is now, young padawan.

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  15. im 23 years old been listening to 1510/810 and KK all of my life still find the show interesting and entertaining you wont find me switching over to nick wright

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  16. Soundboard Techs everywhereJune 9, 2011 at 1:19 PM

    this is pathetic

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  17. As someone who spent a lot of time in his car when there was NO sports radio, and then the painful years of Doolitte, Eschbach, Dobler, and finally, Fortune, I was an early and devoted fan of 1510. The thing about KK is that he came off as arrogant from Day One (and did so as well on Channel 4, when he was the 3rd-string sportscaster). His strengths were and are that he is a natural broadcaster and that he knew enough about sports and local stuff to outclass Fortune. That's a low bar, to be sure. Arrogant was OK when you're an upstart, but not so lovable when you're the bully. I have to take him in small doses now. Still...consider the competition. I'm willing to listen to arguments that he could be challenged by a legitimate rival if Entercom ever figured out how to find one, but they have proven over and over again that they don't have the judgment or patience to know how to do that...or maybe it's just their Conglomo DNA (to use a KK term) that prevents them from finding the correct formula.

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  18. Great article! I too was once a very loyal listener, way back to 1510 days. The end came for me last football season when KK and Jack Harry were breaking the news about Cassel's appendectomy, you would have thought he had just lost his throwing arm and was never going to play again. They ended up having some so called doctor on who claimed that he would be out 4-6 weeks no questions. The so called sports news reporting that day from those two was so unprofessional and unfounded I could not believe what I was hearing.I went down the dial to hear multiple doctors calling into their show and explaining that there are different types of appendectomy surgeries he could have had and explaining how long he could be out based on what type of procedure he had.

    I was done with BTL at that point and I have not listened since and don't really plan on going back. I enjoy listening to sports radio and used to love the programming that 1510/810 offered, but to me KK became so full of himself and if it wasn't the way he saw it then it was wrong. I am also in agreement that there are way to many commercials, I think I figured it up one time and about half of the hour is filled with commercials or them pimping some product on air. My hope is that someday 810 will go back to covering sports not cookies and grills.

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  19. I called into the station awhile back when they were doing another one of the BBQ commercials disguised as content - I told them I wanted to hear sports, not BBQ. The screener said "My board is lit up, people like it" and hung up the phone. I bought an XM radio the next day. At least I have sports options now, although I miss reasoned, entertaining local radio, and long for the day when I looked forward to the morning show, the program, and BTL. Yep, I'm 50 and I'm not turning to twitter, I just turned off local radio. Now we have even more options with iPhone apps and I can hear The Ticket in Dallas or other radio in major markets. RIP WHB.

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  20. Curtis, I have listened to you on 810, and I have read some of your written work. I have always been impressed with the quality of your written articles. You put a lot of thought into your writing, and the conclusions at which you arrive always seem to create a logical bridge from the facts presented within your articles. You should have applied for the KSU beat job with the Star/Eagle papers. Kellis Robinette, in my opinion, and his writing are not on par with the work I have seen that comes from you.
    The article you have written about BTL is very thoughtful, and I don't necessarily disagree with the your opinions displayed in your conclusions. However, I don't believe things ever stay the same. A radio program like BTL or a station like 810 as a whole do not take place in a vacuum, but are living, breathing organisms that rely on their surroundings as well as the individuals that live and work within them. You did a good job of delineating some of the perceived changes KK and CB have undergone at the station, and you did note the environment around the station has changed as well. You also talked about your perceptions of what is going on at the station has moved away from what you care about, and your needs are not being met. One thing that over the millenniums that I don't think has changed much is the human condition. One thing that you will need to remember as you move forward is that you too will begin to change, and your views and what you find to be important will shift to different positions over time based on what happens to you personally as you live your life. KK will not go on forever on the radio, his shelf-life or profitability as a radio program host will begin to wane. Right now it isn't happening. Hopefully you will continue to do the excellent work you are doing so you will be able position yourself to be a voice or a pen for your generation. If you achieve that goal, please remember someone in the generation behind you will probably rise from the cyclical nature of life and want to take a bite out of your back pockets.

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  21. Thanks, everyone, for your comments.

    I realize some people think everything is kosher and that's okay. I'm just someone who happens to think differently, and what caught my attention is the number of people who apparently feel the same way.

    I don't think it's just a random coincidence, and it needed to be pointed out.

    Duke - thank you for the insight. I'm a big believer in cycles. I also believe we can learn from them.

    That said...

    Nexcat - you're exactly right. In competitive environments, there is always someone coming up from behind ready to replace the person/people ahead of them. It's what keeps the entire system moving, and I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I love it actually. If I'm ever in a position where someone feels like they have to get past me, I'll consider myself pretty lucky, but I'm not there yet...

    Thanks again everyone for your feedback. It's appreciated, and we'll just have to see how things go.

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